More L Word...

[charmax]

This was just meant as a response to your comments xandra_ptv but as you can see I went into a bit of a rant ;) lol

I know what you mean about it not following season one at all. For starters the way they wrote out Marina’s character was appalling. A European countess? With an older husband?! And she tried to kill herself over Jenny!!! Does that sound like the Marina we knew; who was Predatory, self assured, had no money and a controlling girlfriend of long standing? Things were just never referred to again such as the killing of Mr Piddles, that uncomfortable sex scene between Bett and Tina, Tim, and that woman who broke Shane’s heart.

And as for this season train wreck is right! But still we keep watching. I think Kit and Ivan was potentially a really strong storyline about how gender and sexuality are no longer set things. Unfortunately it seems the writers backed away from that and settled on a rather outdated view on sexual politics throughout the season. Jenny was frequently used as a mouth piece for some heavy handed feminist politics. I can’t help but feel that some of the writers at least, have become stuck in a late 80’s early 90’s position on lesbian feminism.

Which brings be to another point – someone needs to learn how to write male characters! Because it is a fact not all men are bastards and not all lesbians think that. I thought Tim and “Lisa” were bad enough last season, but this season we got treated to Kit’s “inspirational” boyfriend and Mark - sometimes seedy pornographer and sometime lesbian version of “fag hag” depending on which episode and who is writing it. Do you think they have ever heard of script conferences?

xandra_ptv or astartexx can you give me a bit of a back-story on Queer as folk? I’m thinking I might give that a go…

I know a fair bit about Brian and Justin and I know the women have the standard baby and “bed death” issues but what is the story with the rest of the guys?

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[cassiopaya81.livejournal.com]

xandra_ptv or astartexx can you give me a bit of a back-story on Queer as folk? I'm thinking I might give that a go...

Well I'm not one of those two and I fought hard not to watch but because of Trisha and Nairy I gave the show a chance...I just watched the first 4 episodes so far and I really like it! You should give it a try ;) even me who fought so hard not to watch it likes it...so...go for it!

[charmax.livejournal.com]

I'm definitely keeping an open mind about it. :D I need a new show and everyone I know is raving about it! lol

[cassiopaya81.livejournal.com]

for good reasons ;)

[evil-trisha.livejournal.com]

but what is the story with the rest of the guys?

okay.. we have emmet *hearts* he just a queen but very lovekey, caring and sesetive. he's a good friend and likes to party *lol* thats pretty much his hole story in the first season. but you'll love him!

michael, brians best friend, and since his youth he's got a more-or-less-secretly obsession for brian. he often fells in love with the wrong guys, heads into a relationship to fast and we're all lucky that he finally found his partner, and stoped whining over that *lol* in season 1 he fells in love with the oh-so-rich-Doc. two worlds ar colliding and michel has to choose betwen his friends or the doc's friends :) he'S also plaimng straight at his job.. so you can imagine ;)

tedd.. tedd is the not-so-cute but very loveley guy.. there is always a drama near tedd! tedd's storylines sucks btw!

hm.. there is Debby, Michaels mom, and her gay brother Vic who is HIV postiv.

so, watch this show! its actually very cool and funny with the right mix of drama. the characters are very well written ,.. oh and brian kinney is just GOD! *lol*

[charmax.livejournal.com]

Thanks trisha, it's a little clearer now. :D What i'm going to do is dl the first ep of the new season when it airs and take it from there.

[evil-trisha.livejournal.com]

oh no no no!!!! dl the first season! cos I know the season 4 spoilers.. amd you HAVE to see the rest bevor!!! *begging you*

[charmax.livejournal.com]

hmmm ok.. Where do I get the first season?! What's so bad about season 5? Is it crap and will it put me off? lol

[evil-trisha.livejournal.com]

i'll send you a mail :D

no the fith isn't crap.. it's just.. it wouldn't make any sense to you, without knowing the other seasons :)

[charmax.livejournal.com]

I got your mail trisha. They are gonna taking f***ing forever to get! lol

[xandra-ptv.livejournal.com]

yes, i very much agree, if you don't start from the beganing you'll miss out. that's what i've done with Ryan,

[charmax.livejournal.com]

I keep thinking I'll start with season 5 and then back track. At this rate season 5 will be over before I get all the earlier eps. It's gonna take an age to catch up.

[astartexx.livejournal.com]

Trisha gave you some core points of the series, but what really sucked me in is that the characters stay the same and this in a good way. They face challenges and events that have an impact and evolve them, but in the core of their hearts, they are still the same. Even at the end of the fourth season. Ted and Emmett are again friends, that bicker and bitch, but truly love each other. Ted is still a man with serious self-esteem issues, Emmett is still the queen of the hill, who loves himself and everybody around him. Michael is still in love with Brian, but can have a healthy relationship with Ben, because he needs a ‘man’ in his life. Brian is still trying to not depend on other people and do everything for himself. Justin is still the sensitive artist, who starts to lead his own life. Mel and Lindsay still love each other, but that doesn’t stop them from hurting each other, because ‘just kiss and make up’ is not the way these women are build. Deb is still the glamorous centre who brings everybody together.

You recognize these characters from the first four episodes and sure, they changed but they are ultimately the same and that’s good writing for me. Sometimes they drop a storyline for five or six episodes and then pick it up again in an unexpected way. Or for example Justins bashing from 1x22 was dealt in the beginning of the second season, but only in a way, that he lost part of his bitterness and pain and could go on living. His pain over this horrible event appears and disappears in realistic manners over the course of the second and third season and is ultimately resolved when he faced his attacker with a gun in the hand and demanded an apology. He faced his greatest fear and then walks away from the pain, leave it behind.

A lot of people say that the women on the show are not as good written as the men, but to be honest, I have a soft spot for Justins mom Jennifer and I really love Mel and Deb in their own ways. Mel is smart and her cynical attitude matches with the best a.k.a. Brian Kinney. And Deb is a mother hen at her best. Still the women are able to be in a committed relationship and I feel the way only the women are able to really create a home life contrasted nicely with the fast lifestyle of the men and they come back to these homes to relax. Uhm, should I go on?

Oh, one thing about the 'bed death' issues, I think, it was not a big deal in their relationship and more a realistic note for all long term relationships especially with a child to take care of and they solved it elegant. And they show that their big problems always root in their strong personalties, they start as a dissonance which didn't go away and end in a break down of their situation, what they got and what they want and in the past they always wanted to be back together - there's a pattern here. *smirks*

[charmax.livejournal.com]

Thanks for all the Astarte!

“Justin is still the sensitive artist, who starts to lead his own life.”
Please god not another! Lol
I guess I’ll have to suck it and see. And from the videos I’ve seen it seems like that happens a lot ;)

[astartexx.livejournal.com]

Not like that! You are traumatized by Jenny! LOL

No, Justin is actually a good example for an artist, he goes mad without his drawing, but with it, it’s all about art and brings out the best in him and many paintings of naked Brian or his comic alias ‘Rage’. *smirks* When he thought he had lost his ability to paint after the basing, he leashed out and got wasted, because that was what his life is about. For him, not being able to drawn, was like suffocating him. Once he learned that there were other ways to express himself, he calmed down and just start to discover them. His art centers himself.

[colour-me-sassy.livejournal.com]

Jenny is enough to traumatize anyone lol. I need to see QAF too. Is it on dvd? I think it would take a long time to catch up otherwise.